Jared Crozier: Cap vs Budget

I'd bet it's in Canadian dollars...

the Rogers deal with the NHL is in Canadian. And the NHL is a U.S. based company...

We cant continue to play with nickles, in a dollar league .Ottawa needs to be able to at least compete with the two biggest markets ,this doesnt mean spending foolishly .But at least allowing sensible transactions without the constant budget first mentality

Canadian $, according to this.

http://www.theglobeandmai...declines/article24040463/

The deal's probably in Bitcoin

Melnyk is making money off the team, he lives in Barbados and has a private jet, he didn't have to pay for his liver, things are good for him, this should be a cap team, I don't care how much fuel Melnyck needs for his private jet.

Ottawa should be spending as much as Vancouver, Dallas and Minnesota. That's my budget. They don't have to be top 5, but they gotta be near the top of the NHL, in the top 10-12.

I look at the salary deployment today and the contracts that need to be signed and Ottawa will likely start the season with a $65m cap and an actual salary budget of around $66m. Don't understand the discussion around Melnyk not spending enough. Is the money being spent wisely is a much more valid topic.

I would be more happy to see the Sens shed a few contracts and stay below the $60m threshold.

There are going to have to be some huge trades to deal with the cap issues of about 10 teams over the next 4 to 4 years. You want to be a payroll lean team as their are going to be some great trading opportunities as the crunch comes down hard on teams who thought they would have an easy job moving salary out. They will not and it is going to get an lot more difficult.

Could not imagine cheering for an internal cap team, understanding the disadvantage and the fact it will likely prohibit ever winning the cup.

Pointless venture, no?

Melnyk is making money off the team, he lives in Barbados and has a private jet, he didn't have to pay for his liver, things are good for him, this should be a cap team, I don't care how much fuel Melnyck needs for his private jet.

Ottawa should be spending as much as Vancouver, Dallas and Minnesota. That's my budget. They don't have to be top 5, but they gotta be near the top of the NHL, in the top 10-12.
- tuna99

yupp

If it were in Bitcoin, he'd be doing better than if it were in Canadian dollars

I'm hoping the upcoming $20M from the expansion will act as a bridge until the new arena adds income....somehow. Meaning the Sens can add $3M-$4M to their budget internal cap. That should bring them to within....shouting distance I guess ...of the league cap.

That's the hope, at least.

I hope that dangerous white elephant down town never gets built. But that's another discussion.

The Senators are supposed to lose money for Melnyk not make money. It's called capital loss, it helps him write off other gains on other pies he's got his fingers in.

Was it here I heard that Teuvo Teräväinen and bickell could be moved out of Hawks?

I think I heard people scoff at the idea.

Well they were moved tot he canes for a 2nd round pick and a 3rd following year. Wish the Sens made that move.

Source:

- Carolina Hurricanes ‏@NHLCanes 8m8 minutes ago[NEWS] #Canes acquire Teuvo Teravainen and Bryan Bickell from Chicago. Details: http://n.carhur.com/1Uzlxc3

Was it here I heard that Teuvo Teräväinen and bickell could be moved out of Hawks?

I think I heard people scoff at the idea.

Well they were moved tot he canes for a 2nd round pick and a 3rd following year. Wish the Sens made that move.

Source:
- MaxTLimit

Bickel is downright awful. He'll get some dirty goals, but way to much money for a guy who can't crack 30 points and is a one time playoff wonder.

Teravainen is a decent young player, but the chances of him overtaking Zibby or Turris as a #1 centre is highly unlikely. Basically, he isn't anything we don't already have.

Canes are in much better position to take on a bad contract and young player than we are. We took on our not so great contract with Dion. No sense in taking on another. We are a budget team.

Bickel is downright awful. He'll get some dirty goals, but way to much money for a guy who can't crack 30 points and is a one time playoff wonder.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

He is hardly the point though, is he?

Teravainen is a decent young player, but the chances of him overtaking Zibby or Turris as a #1 centre is highly unlikely. Basically, he isn't anything we don't already have.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Teräväinen, while listed as a C, has experience playing the wing and he is a left shot. Since it seems ( sadly ) the Sens may be losing Hoffman, and we don't know where things stand with the health of MacArthur, some guys with a left shot and can play wing are pretty valuable.

He is hardly the point though, is he?



Teräväinen, while listed as a C, has experience playing the wing and he is a left shot. Since it seems ( sadly ) the Sens may be losing Hoffman, and we don't know where things stand with the health of MacArthur, some guys with a left shot and can play wing are pretty valuable.
- MaxTLimit

We can't just add 4 million (on a scrub) to the Sens payroll when we are a budget team. While, he's not the focal point of the trade, it simply wouldn't work to bring him in. You have to take it into consideration. That's the reality Sens fans live in. I hate it too.

Be careful to assume centres can just shift to the wing. It usually doesn't work that well. Don't have to look further than our current roster. Guys like Zibby and Lazar have looked lost on the wings compared to playing centre. Zach Smith was able to make the adjustment this year, but he's also quite older than the others and everyone kind of assumes his hot streak last year was a bit of a fluke. Maybe Teravainen can make the adjustment, but I'm sure he'll be playing centre in Carolina.

Would have been a nice young player to add, but not a huge missed opportunity. Lots of time to make a decent deal.

We can't just add 4 million (on a scrub) to the Sens payroll when we are a budget team. While, he's not the focal point of the trade, it simply wouldn't work to bring him in. You have to take it into consideration. That's the reality Sens fans live in. I hate it too.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Maybe when I said I wish they did, I should have said 'I wish they could'? He rolls off next year, and the Sens aren't going to be against the cap this year. So internal budget was the only real concern. Money preventing moves that make the team better.

Be careful to assume centres can just shift to the wing. It usually doesn't work that well. Don't have to look further than our current roster. Guys like Zibby and Lazar have looked lost on the wings compared to playing centre. Zach Smith was able to make the adjustment this year, but he's also quite older than the others and everyone kind of assumes his hot streak last year was a bit of a fluke. Maybe Teravainen can make the adjustment, but I'm sure he'll be playing centre in Carolina.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

As I said, he has experience playing wing already. He is listed as a centre, but he played a good chunk of the past year on wing. It's not like Lazar, who really hasn't played wing in some time, and was moved there. When he was being scouted originally, a big benefit he had was his ability to play wing or centre.

Would have been a nice young player to add, but not a huge missed opportunity. Lots of time to make a decent deal.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agree.It's not a player that makes your team. It is frustrating to think that the Sens may have missed out for financial reasons rather than hockey deal negotiation reasons. Maybe Sens were never in on it. I don't know. The possibility is frustrating though.

Maybe when I said I wish they did, I should have said 'I wish they could'? He rolls off next year, and the Sens aren't going to be against the cap this year. So internal budget was the only real concern. Money preventing moves that make the team better.


As I said, he has experience playing wing already. He is listed as a centre, but he played a good chunk of the past year on wing. It's not like Lazar, who really hasn't played wing in some time, and was moved there. When he was being scouted originally, a big benefit he had was his ability to play wing or centre.



Agree.It's not a player that makes your team. It is frustrating to think that the Sens may have missed out for financial reasons rather than hockey deal negotiation reasons. Maybe Sens were never in on it. I don't know. The possibility is frustrating though.
- MaxTLimit

It's always disappointing to miss out on a good young player. Agreed there. This move was clearly a budget move by Chicago. Only a handful of teams can afford to take on a bad contract to get a good prospect. Unfortunately we aren't one of them. For us to get a good player, we will have to give up value rather than granting other teams favours.

I guess this move is not totally different than the thinking Jared had with Detroit and Datsyuk. Move the cap hit to have flexibility, but it will cost you a promising young player. I just don't see the Sens taking on contracts which waste cap/budget space at this point in time.

"Could not imagine cheering for an internal cap team, understanding the disadvantage and the fact it will likely prohibit ever winning the cup.

Pointless venture, no?"

Not for Cheapo our owner, who is now into the 'raid the team for cash then sell the team after people invest in the no-hoper for a decade and get a big nine digit capital gain to send to the defense league' mode.

For the fans, a very frustrating also-ran position. Cheapo's plans may be foiled though, as I am hearing an undercurrent of season ticket holders are near the 'we've had enough phase' of supporting a perpetual non-winner.

Empty buildings don't play well on tv or in the resale market. Guiding Murray towards a stumbling, neither talented or tough roster for a decade may come at a price, financially, and for community, and sport-wide reputation.

The Scott Gomez versus a Maroon or Hagelin add when the playoffs were still in sight justs shows how far this is falling.

The sens definitely should have been in on that bickell tervainen deal. A couple draft picks for two top 9 forwards, one having the potential to easily be a top 6 forward is a huge miss for this organization. Sure bickell is overpaid, but we bit the bullet last year with guys like michalek, greening, cowen with no real incentive, I'm sure one or two years wouldn't have killed us. Bickell would add some much needed grit and size to our forward ranks, but oh well. Missing out here means they better sign Hoffman...

The sens definitely should have been in on that bickell tervainen deal. A couple draft picks for two top 9 forwards, one having the potential to easily be a top 6 forward is a huge miss for this organization. Sure bickell is overpaid, but we bit the bullet last year with guys like michalek, greening, cowen with no real incentive, I'm sure one or two years wouldn't have killed us. Bickell would add some much needed grit and size to our forward ranks, but oh well. Missing out here means they better sign Hoffman...
- toult

Bickell is a top 9 forward in the AHL buddy.